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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.workthesystem.com/2009/10/03/caffeine-part-3-of-3-how-to-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 00:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam,

Well I&#039;m 26 days in and I still haven&#039;t been tempted by a coffee and the headaches have gone so I&#039;m feeling pretty good right now.

Interesting reading Drew&#039;s comments as I started drinking coffee when I was 5 years old too. I don&#039;t know how strong my parents were making it but I definitely remember having coffee and toast for breakfast most mornings as I didn&#039;t drink tea for many years.

I wish I was able to tell you exactly what it was that helped me to make my decision with such strong conviction that stopping has been easy Drew, but I&#039;m not sure I can. Reading Sam&#039;s posts here on his blog were the final trigger that made it happen, and I think it was the discussion about how we can make a decision in an instant with such clarity, commitment and belief that we can stick to that decision easily that did it.

I&#039;d been reading other material at the same time about our mental &#039;states&#039; and how you can change these in an instant too which I saw strong parallels with, so I think everything just came together at the right time and Sam&#039;s posts were the tipping point. 

Are you making your decision to move towards something or away from something? I think it helps if you are looking forward with an image of yourself and your life without the caffeine dependency rather than trying to escape from a situation that is currently &#039;normal&#039; but not how would like it to be.  

At the end of the day we all have to sort out our own demons but it sure helps to have a helping hand along the way, and maybe even a push at the end. I think Sam&#039;s posts do that.

Good luck.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,</p>
<p>Well I&#8217;m 26 days in and I still haven&#8217;t been tempted by a coffee and the headaches have gone so I&#8217;m feeling pretty good right now.</p>
<p>Interesting reading Drew&#8217;s comments as I started drinking coffee when I was 5 years old too. I don&#8217;t know how strong my parents were making it but I definitely remember having coffee and toast for breakfast most mornings as I didn&#8217;t drink tea for many years.</p>
<p>I wish I was able to tell you exactly what it was that helped me to make my decision with such strong conviction that stopping has been easy Drew, but I&#8217;m not sure I can. Reading Sam&#8217;s posts here on his blog were the final trigger that made it happen, and I think it was the discussion about how we can make a decision in an instant with such clarity, commitment and belief that we can stick to that decision easily that did it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d been reading other material at the same time about our mental &#8217;states&#8217; and how you can change these in an instant too which I saw strong parallels with, so I think everything just came together at the right time and Sam&#8217;s posts were the tipping point. </p>
<p>Are you making your decision to move towards something or away from something? I think it helps if you are looking forward with an image of yourself and your life without the caffeine dependency rather than trying to escape from a situation that is currently &#8216;normal&#8217; but not how would like it to be.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day we all have to sort out our own demons but it sure helps to have a helping hand along the way, and maybe even a push at the end. I think Sam&#8217;s posts do that.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta add this link too...just way too interesting:

http://www.caffeineweb.com/?p=15</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta add this link too&#8230;just way too interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.caffeineweb.com/?p=15" rel="nofollow">http://www.caffeineweb.com/?p=15</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.workthesystem.com/2009/10/03/caffeine-part-3-of-3-how-to-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 15:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I do treat it as an enormous life quest. A real mind-bender for me is - how many Moms drink caffeine routinely, get the fetus hooked as a result, have the new born and he/she is wailing in pain from withdrawals only hours into a brand new life? 

I have looked around for detox clinics that specialize in or at least offer a caffeine detox program - could find none. There are a 100,000 pills out there for every kind of ailment, none will help you get off caffeine. Whole Foods used to sell a caffeine detox supplement - they have discontinued it.  I recently went for several months to a Phd psychotherapist/hypnotherapist - he has 4 decades of experience - I stated in our initial session how I&#039;d like to break a life-long addiction to caffeine - he retorted that he would try to help me but explained all the amazing benefits of caffeine - in fact he almost always had a cup of coffee in his hand while therapy sessions were going on...! 

A great book on this topic is &#039;Caffeine Blues&#039;. Some excellent points are made and lot of scientific data is there to back it all up. One biggie for me was the author&#039;s point that all the researchers, doctors, clinicians, therapists - anywhere, everywhere - have an ever present coffee machine in the office break room. They will never isolate caffeine and look at it in any kind of objective way - they are all caffeinated themselves! 

The site below is loaded with info from top-level institutions on caffeinism - these are studies from Yale, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, etc:

http://caffeineweb.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I do treat it as an enormous life quest. A real mind-bender for me is &#8211; how many Moms drink caffeine routinely, get the fetus hooked as a result, have the new born and he/she is wailing in pain from withdrawals only hours into a brand new life? </p>
<p>I have looked around for detox clinics that specialize in or at least offer a caffeine detox program &#8211; could find none. There are a 100,000 pills out there for every kind of ailment, none will help you get off caffeine. Whole Foods used to sell a caffeine detox supplement &#8211; they have discontinued it.  I recently went for several months to a Phd psychotherapist/hypnotherapist &#8211; he has 4 decades of experience &#8211; I stated in our initial session how I&#8217;d like to break a life-long addiction to caffeine &#8211; he retorted that he would try to help me but explained all the amazing benefits of caffeine &#8211; in fact he almost always had a cup of coffee in his hand while therapy sessions were going on&#8230;! </p>
<p>A great book on this topic is &#8216;Caffeine Blues&#8217;. Some excellent points are made and lot of scientific data is there to back it all up. One biggie for me was the author&#8217;s point that all the researchers, doctors, clinicians, therapists &#8211; anywhere, everywhere &#8211; have an ever present coffee machine in the office break room. They will never isolate caffeine and look at it in any kind of objective way &#8211; they are all caffeinated themselves! </p>
<p>The site below is loaded with info from top-level institutions on caffeinism &#8211; these are studies from Yale, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, etc:</p>
<p><a href="http://caffeineweb.com/" rel="nofollow">http://caffeineweb.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.workthesystem.com/2009/10/03/caffeine-part-3-of-3-how-to-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 07:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew. Since 5 years old? You have a strong addiction. Maybe this is easy for me to say, but your best bet might be to look at the breaking of the addiction as an enormous life-quest. Don&#039;t try to minimize the impact or underestimate the gravity of quitting. Maybe it would be good to take the AA, 12-step approach and in fact, I wonder if a stint with an NA roup might be useful, although the needle-addicts there will probably scoff...I don&#039;t know. But, caffeine is a damn powerful drug and if it&#039;s messing up your life (as it did mine), it&#039;s &quot;any port in a storm.&quot;  Thanks for the kudos re the book and the blog. Good luck Drew. Maybe keep me, and the readers, posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew. Since 5 years old? You have a strong addiction. Maybe this is easy for me to say, but your best bet might be to look at the breaking of the addiction as an enormous life-quest. Don&#8217;t try to minimize the impact or underestimate the gravity of quitting. Maybe it would be good to take the AA, 12-step approach and in fact, I wonder if a stint with an NA roup might be useful, although the needle-addicts there will probably scoff&#8230;I don&#8217;t know. But, caffeine is a damn powerful drug and if it&#8217;s messing up your life (as it did mine), it&#8217;s &#8220;any port in a storm.&#8221;  Thanks for the kudos re the book and the blog. Good luck Drew. Maybe keep me, and the readers, posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.workthesystem.com/2009/10/03/caffeine-part-3-of-3-how-to-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam, 

Love the book and the blog. 

I am addicted to caffeine in the truest sense of the word (as indicated by severe withdrawal symptoms) and have many reasons for quitting altogether. I have been drinking coffee every day since I was 5 years old (I am 36 now)...Hell, I was probably ingesting caffeine in the womb.  I used to get severe migraines as a child and teenager - looking back I&#039;m sure it was caffeine withdrawals -- I just didn&#039;t know it. Also I had and still have facial ticks and such....Its safe (and shocking) to say, I don&#039;t know how I really am - off caffeine. 

I started to get off again this week, made it to three days and fell apart this afternoon.  Simply could not function in a work or interpersonal sense. Popped two excedrin around 7pm and now...back to &#039;normal&#039;. Of course I have zero support from anyone and in fact I am almost made to feel like I am Un-american or something by people I know. They cannot comprehend why anyone would want to get off this stuff.  I collect old magazines from the 1940&#039;s and also vintage commercials on DVD ... they used to sing the praises of cocaine and cigarettes among other things too. 

The only time I got off successfully was for seven days in 2006. I was living in Santa Fe at the time and was in a position where I could &#039;fall apart&#039; (no obligations). What I did was chop up 200 mg caffeine pills into four 50mg segments. Whenever I felt a whopper headache coming on I would pop a 50mg pill and the headache would subside. I felt super tired and dazed, but it worked. I started up &#039;the habit&#039; again because I am a &#039;always in the cafe/working on the computer kind of guy&#039;. As I grow older though, I am just less willing to compromise optimal health and wellness so I must and will be free....

The pill method will be my &#039;system&#039; again starting tomorrow, but I will expand it over the period of a month instead of a week to lessen the blow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam, </p>
<p>Love the book and the blog. </p>
<p>I am addicted to caffeine in the truest sense of the word (as indicated by severe withdrawal symptoms) and have many reasons for quitting altogether. I have been drinking coffee every day since I was 5 years old (I am 36 now)&#8230;Hell, I was probably ingesting caffeine in the womb.  I used to get severe migraines as a child and teenager &#8211; looking back I&#8217;m sure it was caffeine withdrawals &#8212; I just didn&#8217;t know it. Also I had and still have facial ticks and such&#8230;.Its safe (and shocking) to say, I don&#8217;t know how I really am &#8211; off caffeine. </p>
<p>I started to get off again this week, made it to three days and fell apart this afternoon.  Simply could not function in a work or interpersonal sense. Popped two excedrin around 7pm and now&#8230;back to &#8216;normal&#8217;. Of course I have zero support from anyone and in fact I am almost made to feel like I am Un-american or something by people I know. They cannot comprehend why anyone would want to get off this stuff.  I collect old magazines from the 1940&#8217;s and also vintage commercials on DVD &#8230; they used to sing the praises of cocaine and cigarettes among other things too. </p>
<p>The only time I got off successfully was for seven days in 2006. I was living in Santa Fe at the time and was in a position where I could &#8216;fall apart&#8217; (no obligations). What I did was chop up 200 mg caffeine pills into four 50mg segments. Whenever I felt a whopper headache coming on I would pop a 50mg pill and the headache would subside. I felt super tired and dazed, but it worked. I started up &#8216;the habit&#8217; again because I am a &#8216;always in the cafe/working on the computer kind of guy&#8217;. As I grow older though, I am just less willing to compromise optimal health and wellness so I must and will be free&#8230;.</p>
<p>The pill method will be my &#8217;system&#8217; again starting tomorrow, but I will expand it over the period of a month instead of a week to lessen the blow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Navarro</title>
		<link>http://www.workthesystem.com/2009/10/03/caffeine-part-3-of-3-how-to-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Navarro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m really glad I found this little series of posts.  I&#039;m an addict, I admit it. I have several cups of coffee throughout the day, and &quot;breakfast&quot; for me is typically a cigarette and a cup of coffee. I need to do this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m really glad I found this little series of posts.  I&#8217;m an addict, I admit it. I have several cups of coffee throughout the day, and &#8220;breakfast&#8221; for me is typically a cigarette and a cup of coffee. I need to do this!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://www.workthesystem.com/2009/10/03/caffeine-part-3-of-3-how-to-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

Just into my third week and feeling pretty good. I struggled over the weekend as I&#039;m still really tired and this seems to kick in at strange times.

The big thing though is how easy it&#039;s been as I have not been tempted to have a cup of black at all. I&#039;m going to read through your articles again to see if I can work out exactly what the trigger was, as there was obviously something about your logic and the way that you presented your arguments that really hit home. If I can define that and work out how to apply it elsewhere then that will be a powerful tool! I know that is a very simplistic way to look at it but there was something about you articles that had an impact. I&#039;m sure I can benefit from that elsewhere.

That&#039;s all for now.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>Just into my third week and feeling pretty good. I struggled over the weekend as I&#8217;m still really tired and this seems to kick in at strange times.</p>
<p>The big thing though is how easy it&#8217;s been as I have not been tempted to have a cup of black at all. I&#8217;m going to read through your articles again to see if I can work out exactly what the trigger was, as there was obviously something about your logic and the way that you presented your arguments that really hit home. If I can define that and work out how to apply it elsewhere then that will be a powerful tool! I know that is a very simplistic way to look at it but there was something about you articles that had an impact. I&#8217;m sure I can benefit from that elsewhere.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all for now.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The third day and the fourth are the words mentally and physically, but the craving continues for a while. Use aspirin or whatever for the headaches. I remember by three weeks the craving had diminished significantly. Keep everyone posted, Steve. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third day and the fourth are the words mentally and physically, but the craving continues for a while. Use aspirin or whatever for the headaches. I remember by three weeks the craving had diminished significantly. Keep everyone posted, Steve. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ramsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

Three days in and the headaches are running with a vengence, however, I have found it really easy to resisit so far. It is surprising how it is affecting me this time, the main thing being that I feel absolutely shattered. I&#039;ve been struggling to stay awake after 9:00pm and even though I&#039;ve had to carry on for a little longer than that I have been needing much more sleep.

So far so good, but the key thing is that your series of articles helped me to make the decision to stop in such a powerful way that it has been easy. I can here voices shouting &quot;so far&quot; and fair enough, there&#039;s still a way to go but it&#039;s a good start and I feel confident about being in control here, that I can choose.

I&#039;ll post an update next week.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>Three days in and the headaches are running with a vengence, however, I have found it really easy to resisit so far. It is surprising how it is affecting me this time, the main thing being that I feel absolutely shattered. I&#8217;ve been struggling to stay awake after 9:00pm and even though I&#8217;ve had to carry on for a little longer than that I have been needing much more sleep.</p>
<p>So far so good, but the key thing is that your series of articles helped me to make the decision to stop in such a powerful way that it has been easy. I can here voices shouting &#8220;so far&#8221; and fair enough, there&#8217;s still a way to go but it&#8217;s a good start and I feel confident about being in control here, that I can choose.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll post an update next week.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: Your experience reflcects mine exactly. Caffein is a powerful drug! I also have had trouble &quot;just having a little&quot; so my best bet is none at all. Once in a great while I&#039;ll have some green tea but that&#039;s it. No Red Bulls, no lattes, no diet pepsi. It&#039;s not always easy as one negotiates the day&#039;s ups and downs, but it&#039;s better than going off the wall. Good luck, and keep me posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: Your experience reflcects mine exactly. Caffein is a powerful drug! I also have had trouble &#8220;just having a little&#8221; so my best bet is none at all. Once in a great while I&#8217;ll have some green tea but that&#8217;s it. No Red Bulls, no lattes, no diet pepsi. It&#8217;s not always easy as one negotiates the day&#8217;s ups and downs, but it&#8217;s better than going off the wall. Good luck, and keep me posted.</p>
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